Why do people complain that Cabba>>> Buu tier fighters?

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Why do people complain that Cabba>>> Buu tier fighters?
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RealSociedad	Jun 30 2016, 12:52 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	He was at evenly grounds against Vegeta until Vegeta decided to transform to SSJB. I saw people complaining about this and about the fact that Cabba exceeds any Buu arc fighter. You guys realise that Cabba is one of the strongest of his universe with a reason? Universe 6 is a different universe, but it is still a universe. A universe is millions lightyears big, and in DBZ full of lives. And is seems cabba is te choosen one together with 4 other fighters to be considered as the most powerful of his whole universe! So how could this be annoying or strange? He looks weak yes, yes we know. But Fat Buu was looking even weaker and dumber yet he had tremendous power for such a childish fatty.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 30 2016, 01:14 AM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Generally because Boo is stronger than high-tier gods in his purest form. Even Freeza, touted as the strongest being in the universe at the time of his reign, still ain't s* compared to even the weakest of the Kaioshin. People simply find it hard to believe people stronger than Freeza, let alone Boo, exist in mass. I personally don't have a huge problem with it, as it's merely par for the course of the series, but I can see why it would bother people. That being said, Cabba isn't necessarily stronger than Boo. The 2-base theory is looking more and more believable with each passing episode of Super. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans**, Jun 30 2016, 01:16 AM.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 30 2016, 01:20 AM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 30 2016, 01:14 AM Generally because Boo is stronger than high-tier gods in his purest form. Even Freeza, touted as the strongest being in the universe at the time of his reign, still ain't s*** compared to even the weakest of the Kaioshin. People simply find it hard to believe people stronger than Freeza, let alone Boo, exist in mass. I personally don't have a huge problem with it, as it's merely par for the course of the series, but I can see why it would bother people. That being said, Cabba isn't necessarily stronger than Boo. The 2-base theory is looking more and more believable with each passing episode of Super. How is the two base theory look more believable? It's looking less believable, I used to believe in it for a long time but I recently gave up on it because it stopped working.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 30 2016, 01:22 AM Post #4
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Goku using Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 is making it look more believable. I'm not sure what in particular is making it less believable. Care to elaborate?
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RealSociedad	Jun 30 2016, 01:30 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Goku never lost the ability to his yellow SSJ's, he would just not use them like he did in the past because they use a lot of stamina and uses up too much energy. Goku just wanted to know were he stands compared to Black, that is why he showed SSJ2 and 3 against Trunks, that is what I think. When Goku became yellow SSJ against Beerus I remember Beerus saiying that he lost his SSJG form but that his power still was with Goku. Goku absorbed his God power, that is why base Goku (post SSJG)>>> SSJ3 Gotenks. That makes automatically base Cabba>>> SSJ3 Gotenks. But yeah I can understand it if you tell the Frieza argument, but still, universe 6 is a different universe, with a different story, different fighters and different planets. Cabba is one of the strongest of his universe, he has a potential that outstrips even that of the likes of Gohan.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 30 2016, 01:30 AM Post #6
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 30 2016, 01:22 AM Goku using Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 is making it look more believable. I'm not sure what in particular is making it less believable. Care to elaborate? What makes it less believable for me is that Vegeta was able to defeat Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily. You could try and argue that the episode is filler or that Vegeta was using his god ki but when I believed in the god ki I called it Saiyan Beyond god, I'm sure you heard of it. It's when they flashed a large white aura, however Copy Vegeta didn't flash his white aura against Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. But he did use it against Goku. Another thing about Saiyan Beyond god is that when Goku used it against Frieza everyone could sense Goku's ki so that should prove it isn't god ki. The other thing is that Super Saiyan Blue is a mix of normal Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Red right? Well I see Super Saiyan Red as a base Goku with god ki basically, so sort of a two base thing but it's still a transformation, so Super Saiyan Blue is just Super Saiyan of Super Saiyan Red which is what it is a combination of. Now I get that you'd say that since he uses the god ki in those upper levels than he can use it in his base, but I don't think he can do that because I think the first stage of his god ki is Super Saiyan Red. I'm fine with you not agreeing but I just want to make sure you understand what I mean. Since I once believed in the two base theory too I get where you're coming from compleltey but I just don't see it making sense anymore. I do think there are two bases but I think the bases are Normal Base Goku and Super Saiyan Red Goku. I hope that makes sense to you.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 30 2016, 01:33 AM Post #7
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The problem with him using Super Saiyan 3 on top of his "Saiyan Beyond God base form" is that it suggests he could have gone Super Saiyan 3 against Beerus, increasing his strength greatly according to episode 49, but didn't. This would then mean that Super Saiyan Blue is significantly stronger than Super Saiyan God SSBardock84 What makes it less believable for me is that Vegeta was able to defeat Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily.. But the 2-base theory doesn't contradict that in the least... Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 30 2016, 01:34 AM.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 30 2016, 01:35 AM Post #8
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 30 2016, 01:33 AM The problem with him using Super Saiyan 3 on top of his "Saiyan Beyond God base form" is that it suggests he could have gone Super Saiyan 3 against Beerus, increasing his strength greatly according to episode 49, but didn't. This would then mean that Super Saiyan Blue is significantly stronger than Super Saiyan God. Well how strong do you think saiyan beyond god is? Is that what you use for your god ki? As far as I'm concerned this should always be true Base<Super Saiyan<Super Saiyan 2<Super Saiyan 3<Super Saiyan Red<Super Saiyan Blue @PrinceofSaiyans: Sorry didn't see your edit until after I posted. For me it always did, but I just brushed it off as non-canon at the time. The fight between SS3 Gotenks and Copy Vegeta isn't something I fully go for to support my opinion but I will refer to it. It isn't a fight that changed my mind. Edited by Son-Goku, Jun 30 2016, 01:38 AM.
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RealSociedad	Jun 30 2016, 01:36 AM Post #9
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	SSbardock84 Jun 30 2016, 01:30 AM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 30 2016, 01:22 AM Goku using Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 is making it look more believable. I'm not sure what in particular is making it less believable. Care to elaborate? What makes it less believable for me is that Vegeta was able to defeat Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily. You could try and argue that the episode is filler or that Vegeta was using his god ki but when I believed in the god ki I called it Saiyan Beyond god, I'm sure you heard of it. It's when they flashed a large white aura, however Copy Vegeta didn't flash his white aura against Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. But he did use it against Goku. Another thing about Saiyan Beyond god is that when Goku used it against Frieza everyone could sense Goku's ki so that should prove it isn't god ki. The other thing is that Super Saiyan Blue is a mix of normal Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Red right? Well I see Super Saiyan Red as a base Goku with god ki basically, so sort of a two base thing but it's still a transformation, so Super Saiyan Blue is just Super Saiyan of Super Saiyan Red which is what it is a combination of. Now I get that you'd say that since he uses the god ki in those upper levels than he can use it in his base, but I don't think he can do that because I think the first stage of his god ki is Super Saiyan Red. I'm fine with you not agreeing but I just want to make sure you understand what I mean. Since I once believed in the two base theory too I get where you're coming from compleltey but I just don't see it making sense anymore. I do think there are two bases but I think the bases are Normal Base Goku and Super Saiyan Red Goku. I hope that makes sense to you. You mean this Goku? I have seen his white aura in base only against final form Frieza, Monaka (Beerus) and copy Vegeta, which could be considered as Godku. But he still can acces to his yellow SSJ's, but it doesnt neccesarry make him weaker. He was still doing not bad when his SSJG faded away and when he turned to SSJ against Beerus



breaker335	Jun 30 2016, 02:03 AM Post #10
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	You'd think being from another universe would justify him being so strong but nope. Gotta complain about something even though there's a perfectly good reason for it to exist. Edited by breaker335, Jun 30 2016, 02:10 AM.



superperfectnerd	Jun 30 2016, 03:34 AM Post #11
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Because Cabba being that strong implies he's been through a lot of training and battle (like Goku and Vegeta) and yet he hasn't experienced ssj and has no clue of it? Seems unlikely he would get this far without unlocking that.



breaker335	Jun 30 2016, 03:56 AM Post #12
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	superperfectnerd Jun 30 2016, 03:34 AM Because Cabba being that strong implies he's been through a lot of training and battle (like Goku and Vegeta) and yet he hasn't experienced ssj and has no clue of it? Seems unlikely he would get this far without unlocking that. Well the trigger for SSJ is to get angry and he probably never got to the point where he just explodes with anger. Not to mention he seems young and again, different universe. Just because Goku and Vegeta had to go a long way to get to where they are doesn't apply to those from an entirely different universe. Edited by breaker335, Jun 30 2016, 03:57 AM.



Griffzilla	Jun 30 2016, 04:05 AM Post #13
Posts: 730 Group: Member Member #11,562 Joined: July 29, 2014 Gender Male	What's this 2 base theory people are talking about?
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+ Green	Jun 30 2016, 05:21 AM Post #14
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	breaker335 Jun 30 2016, 03:56 AM superperfectnerd Jun 30 2016, 03:34 AM Because Cabba being that strong implies he's been through a lot of training and battle (like Goku and Vegeta) and yet he hasn't experienced ssj and has no clue of it? Seems unlikely he would get this far without unlocking that. Well the trigger for SSJ is to get angry and he probably never got to the point where he just explodes with anger. Not to mention he seems young and again, different universe. Just because Goku and Vegeta had to go a long way to get to where they are doesn't apply to those from an entirely different universe. I can understand one person not experiencing the trigger but none of the sayians in his universe have??? I don't know how many there are but at least in the universe we know there were stories about the Legendary Super Saiyan.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2016, 07:10 AM Post #15
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Griffzilla Jun 30 2016, 04:05 AM What's this 2 base theory people are talking about? Basically the Saiyans switching their god ki on and off. With god ki on, they're Vegetto tier at the very least. With it off, they're not much stronger than they were during the Boo saga. It's pretty contrived IMHO, but the writing for Super has forced people to think of these things to make any iota of sense when it comes to power comparisons.
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